i got my pcclub newsletter in the email today, and they are selling the ati radeon 9200's for $86. can you by chance make them go faster? because if i understand correctly, the only difference between the 9200 and the 9800 is how fast they process informations and stuff.
figured i would ask, knowledge never hurts

9200's can not be overclocked to extreme limits like a 9500 can.. they are no where near the level of a 9800 processing power. Sorry.

Have a read:

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NDkw

ah, ok. just figured i would ask

any wya to overclock my tnt2??/

didnt you already make one big, embarrasing post about that?

Why would you want to do that?

Dough: theres no point, get a better system, or admit defeat and kill yourself.

meh defeat was admitted along time ago.... but still at least if i crap this on eup and nothign work, mind then my parents would just say " use the old computer(dell)"

To the Dough:
In the time since you first mentioned how much you hate your TNT2, had you borrowed a dollar or two each week from a parent or sibling or stranger on the street, and then stashed it, you'd now be able to afford a card so blazing you'd need to upgrade the rest of your system to be able to use it....and this is without lifting a finger to do any work.
But there's an even better way, in my opinion.
Over the last few months I've acquired an additional [small, but usable] harddrive (used), a CD burner (new), and a DVD-rom drive (used) simply by offering to help friends with tasks at which they are unskilled, but are quick and easy work for me. Just as a suggestion, you might consider offering what skills you have developed (please, guys, I'm not joking here ) to help someone who lacks those skills.
For example, say for the moment that you have knowledge of basic graphics creation, and perhaps your parents are organizing a Silly Paté social for which they plan to employ the services of Kinko's in order to create 300 invitations. Well with your design skills and a ream of card stock, you can save them a bit of cash by doing it yourself. This is a small step, and most likely this particular situation doesn't apply to you, but I hope you get the idea. It doesn't necessarily need to be a skill either...it could just be a matter of offering to help by doing various household tasks...things that could be accomplished by merely cutting back an hour here and there from timewasters we all take advantage of, like gaming and "just for the hell of it" web browsing. If your parents are human, they'll notice that their lives are a little less hectic becasue of your help, and will probably as a result be more willing to accomodate your hardware desires, or perhaps slide you some cash from time to time instead, which you could save for a killer GPU and some RAM. Yeah, yeah...it's sooooo hard to save money. Well considering all your needs are being met already, it should be a piece of christmas cake.
Maybe your parents are ogres and wouldn't give a wet slap no matter how much undirected tasks you've taken upon yourself, but chances are this is not the case. Give it a shot...it may be that within a couple of months you have a new Geforce[insert # here] or Radeon to help you see your opponent in more than 3 pixels.
So what made me write this thing? I'm presently doing one of those helpy-outy things....my roommate needs to go to work a couple hours earlier than usual today, so I'm here to make sure that happens. Even though I've had only 2 hours sleep in the last two days, i think it's worth it because he usually gives me something as payment on the days I work as human alarm clock...sometimes a little cash, sometimes smokes or beer...sometimes for free just because he's my friend. In any case all I'm doing is messing around on my puter waiting to scream at him when the clock reaches the appropriate time.
It may seem like a little task, but in the eyes of the helpee it's a great assistance and makes their lives a bit easier and/or less stressful....and many people are appreciative of your help in a material or financial way, which, as I believe I've mentioned a few times, is key to obtaining the card you so desire without having to beg for it.

So anyway...it's something to at least consider. If you don't already have a big list of chores (i always hated thse kids who didn't have chores yet still got a weekly allowance), it may be even more effective and your parents may be pleasantly surprised...enough to perhaps reconsider whether or not you deserve an upgrade.
And if you didn't bother to read this even though it was addressed specifically to you...well, I'm guessing you wouldn't be willing to bother testing this theory out anyway.

My goodness gracious....working as an alarm clock really allows one a great opportunity to write some unnecessarily lengthy posts....

Please forgive me if i've not made any sense...I nearly dropped off asleep several times during the writing....

This is the same Dough we are talking about ? The one that wants everything searched and found for him ? Lets face it Dough is the king of google... lmao